Gor VS BDSM

I love doing research one of my favorite past times. anything and everything. One thing I do a lot of research on is about the BDSM Lifestyle. We never stop learning we are evolving everyday , we are growing everyday, and yes we even change everyday.

I know I hammer about Structure a lot and some are even bored with it and some roll their eyes Gemini at the thought of me bringing it up again.

Several years ago I was at a munch and a Gorean Master and Slave showed up, from the time they walked in the door and left I was in a complete trance. The protocol and the manners of the Slave was something I had never seen before.

The main difference between the two is Gor is based off of novels written by John Norman , he sold millions and millions of copies, and Bam a new culture was born. A culture of Master and Slave that was not sexual based, but more on service and hence the Slave Positions.

John Frederick Lange, Jr. (born June 3, 1931), better known under his pen name John Norman, is a professor of philosophy and an author. He is best known for his Gor novel series.

Norman’s Gor series was influenced by Edgar Rice Burroughs‘s John Carter of Mars novels. Norman’s novels include lengthy philosophical and sociological dissertations criticizing the malaise of modern society (everything from common dishonesty to nuclear holocaust). A variety of societies, cultures, moral concepts, and technologies are described in depth in his novels; however it is always within the context of the male adventure genre, and, as such, families, children, and other mundane aspects of real life are generally absent and those roles are not discussed.

His fiction places emphasis on living in accordance with a Nietzschean natural order, supporting a hierarchy of talent, especially strength. He uses this hierarchy as a framework to analyze gender role differences in society, and he contends that the woman is by nature a submissive helper and figurative slave of the dominant man. Norman’s work often takes this observation literally: heroes enslave heroines who, upon being enslaved, revel in the discovery of their natural place. Bondage in the novels and in his Imaginative Sex guide is overtly and completely sexual in nature and while the philosophy presented is unquestionably that of male dominance, the male characters are themselves often temporarily and elaborately enslaved by powerful females. In an interview[1] with Polygraff magazine, Norman stated that he believes that it is obvious that all societies are based on dominance and hierarchy.

Norman’s Gorean themes also are heavily influenced by social darwinism — only the strongest will survive, and the ultimate test of this is mortal combat for territory, resources, and mating partners. Social co-operation and other altruistic considerations exist only to serve this ideal. The weak should be despised and exploited, and the strong exalted. This serves as the overriding theme in all of Norman’s Gorean novels.

A Gorean house usually has more than one Slave, each Slave has their own duties and chores they must complete.  Rule, guidelines and very very strict protocols and they are followed.

I ran across an article that I wanted to share, I emailed the Author of the page and no response. It had not been updated since 2001, so I am going to guess it is no longer active, but anyway here you go.  It really goes into great detail. It is much how my relationship works.

This is just one man’s opinion about the differences between Gor and BDSM. It was written in response to a question a slave asked me and replied by e-mail. She wanted to know the difference between the two as she came from BDSM areas. That is not a place I have ever been a part of. Others will tell you similar things and different ones, including that there is no difference. I say to the last group, you just don’t understand what Gor really is.
 
It is correct to say that some things are the same between BDSM and Gor, whereas many are diametrically opposed to each other. The biggest differences are in the control of the Master over the slave and the point of what we do. Please understand that while I have read some about BDSM, I have never participated beyond reading a couple of Usenet groups on occasion and wandering into a very few IRC BDSM channels. What I say here is based on what I have read, what I have seen, and the people I know who are into that scene.
 
Safe, sane and consensual. I am sure you have heard those words before. They are the watchwords of BDSM. Gor doesn’t follow those rules. Yes, we do want to be physically and mentally safe…being sane is probably a good thing…[grins]…and the slavery we practice is consensual, up to a point. There are no safe words, there are no days we do this and days we don’t. It may not be something we do in front of children, but some do. Gor operates on Honor and Trust. I like to add Honesty and Responsibility to them. The slave must trust her Master enough to give herself into his hands. Trust that he will care for her life and well being as long as she is pleasing to him. A Gorean Master takes the responsibility for his slave in what she does, how she acts, what she wears, what she learns; responsibility for all parts of her as well as her well being and health. A true man does not willingly damage something valuable to him. Like anywhere else, there are pretenders, abusers, and people trying to do something they really are unfit to do. Goreans would say that a man must master himself before he can master a slave. The good Masters do not need to prove themselves to anyone because they have already proved what they are to themselves.
 
The other big difference is that BDSM seems to be about sex. That is the main point of BDSM as far as I can see. Gorean slavery is about service of a slave to her Master and the pleasing of him. Sex is there but it is not the most important thing. A Gorean slave is not only free to explore and reveal her sexuality, she is required to do so. She is not allowed to withhold any part of her from her Master. Most Goreans do not seem to do much BDSM play. There may be a bit of bondage or things (besides collars) which could be called fetish wear, but they are not central to being Gorean. A Gorean Master does not whip a slave for her erotic enjoyment, or his, but to punish her. To make her understand that she was displeasing in her actions or attitudes and that she needs to change what he found displeasing.
 
It is hard, though not impossible to do BDSM by yourself. A man or a woman can be Gorean without owning a slave. Being Gorean is an attitude and a way of life, not something you do in the bedroom or when you put on special clothes and go to a play party somewhere. It does not turn on or turn off when convenient, Gor is.
 
Understand that I am talking in generalities here, and perhaps the idealized Gorean Master, but from what I have seen and read, these are the main differences between the two. Some people involved in BDSM use Gor to spice up their play at times, sometimes Gorean use BDSM to spice up their sex. However, if I bind a slave’s hands behind her back, for example, it is because I do not wish her to use them while I am doing something with her, to her or while she is doing something. Or it could be as punishment for doing something with them that I did not want her to do. It could also be for training purposes. Many different reasons, but her sexual enjoyment of being bound is likely to be very low on or totally off of the list of reasons.
 
I have said that we can not do everything as the books do it. We live on Earth, not Gor. We live within the confines and legalities of our society. We do what we can to recreate parts of the Gorean philosophies and Master/slave system, but more importantly for men; we look to the books as a guide to our behavior and existence as men. It has been said, and I believe it to be true, that a man can be Gorean and never own a slave. A free woman can be Gorean and never be a slave. A slave can be Gorean only while she is a slave to a Gorean Master.
 
Telling the difference between those who might properly be called Gorean and those who only play or pretend to be Gorean can be hard at times. I do not claim to be able to tell in all cases. I look to see if they walk the talk. If they do, and what they speak is what I consider Gorean, then I call them Gorean. There are those whose words and knowledge I respect as they say they respect mine. Some of those people I count as being Gorean. As it pleases them to consider me Gorean, I have come to accept it.
http://www.housemalkinius.com/zwgorbdsm.html
ImageA lot of good information.
Vile

4 Responses to “Gor VS BDSM”

  1. phoenixasubbie Says:

    I’ve always wondered….thank you for posting. Xx

  2. I read a little more then half the books in the Gor series and I found them fascinating. While they were violent in some ways the philosophy behind the stories is what captured me.
    His take on women and how the women who were taken from Earth were told they lost their femaleness and needed to get back in touch with that is a good part of what I found interesting.

    Like you stated it would be hard to maintain a “true” Gorean household but certain aspects of it cant be incorporated.

    The Gor books was also my first introduction to floggers.

    • There are many parts of the lifestyle that could not be incorporated , nor would I want to. I have tried to read but just could not get into the book.
      Now it is some years later I may try once again.
      I was mainly speaking of the way the slave carried herself while in public her protocols was just incredible, and yet she seemed so content

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